How close is Bama to locking up a bid to March Madness?
The Crimson Tide basketball team has somehow navigated a treacherous suspension saga to emerge as one of the hottest teams in the SEC over the last couple of weeks. Fresh off big wins over Arkansas and Mississippi State last week, the Tide is now looking very good to land a coveted spot in this year's NCAA Tournament.
After spending a lot of time this weekend studying the numbers and the resumes of various "bubble" teams, and consulting with a few actual bracketologists like CBS's Jerry Palm and SI's Andy Glockner over Twitter, I can safely say that Alabama would be in the field with relative ease if the season were to end today.
That doesn't mean Alabama would have a very high seed, as I suspect that the bracket projections which will be released today and tomorrow from these experts will likely have the Tide in the 8/9 range or so, but even that seed range gives Bama a little breathing room, as at least a dozen or so other at-large teams will be projected in the field behind the Tide. However, even with that breathing room, Alabama is not 100% safe.
In order to say the Tide is a "lock", we need to ask ourselves, if Bama lost every single remaining game, would we still be safe? The answer, right now, is probably not. Losing out would have to begin by adding a home loss to an Auburn team ranked in the 140's of the RPI. That alone would be enough to knock Bama down a couple of seed lines at least. If that loss were then followed up by a road loss to an Ole Miss team that has a respectable RPI but is not an NCAA contender themselves, you'd have to think the Tide would be squarely on the bubble heading into the SEC Tournament next week.
Playing out this scenario a bit further, losing to Auburn and Ole Miss would leave Bama's most likely SEC Tournament seed as 5th, which would mean...a dangerous date with 12th seed South Carolina in the opening round. A loss to South Carolina--ranked in the 180's in the RPI--on a neutral floor in the last game of the season would be the mother of all bad losses for a bubble team and could very well knock the Tide out in the event the loss followed a horrible loss to Auburn and another loss to Ole Miss. Even if the Tide ended up as the 6th seed and faced 11th seed Georgia or Auburn, both ranked below 100 in the RPI, the same would likely hold were Bama to lose that SEC Tournament opener.
Now, the above scenario is literally worst-case, but nevertheless I think it suffices to say we can't quite call Alabama a "lock" just yet. So what would it take? Beating Auburn on Wednesday just might do it. A win, unfortunately, does almost nothing to improve the Tide's position, but avoiding the loss described above and the damage it could do would be enough to move Alabama very, very close to "lock" status. With a win in that game, the worst-case scenario would be a loss to Ole Miss followed by an opening-round SEC Tournament loss. More than likely, that resume would get Bama in--though just barely--thanks to very strong RPI and SOS numbers. However, if that tournament loss came to South Carolina, it might leave Bama fans at least a little nervous on Selection Sunday.
Which brings me to my next point: the importance of Alabama earning the opening-round bye in the SEC Tournament. Even with a loss at Ole Miss (following a win against Auburn), a 9-7 SEC record might just be enough to get Alabama a bye in the SEC Tournament, depending on what Tennessee and LSU do this week. In that scenario, Alabama is much safer as the 4th seed by having its opening SEC Tournament game be against the 5th seed (likely top 100 RPI teams Tennessee or LSU, assuming they were to beat South Carolina in their opener) in the 2nd round, rather than having to play 12th seed South Carolina in the 1st round. A loss to a team like Tennessee or LSU wouldn't do nearly the damage that a loss to a team like Georgia, Auburn, or especially South Carolina would do. Bottom line: cheer against Tennessee on Wednesday as they play LSU, and then cheer against both LSU and Tennessee on Saturday. If those teams lose, Alabama could avoid having to play a team like South Carolina in the SEC Tournament opener, which would make Bama much, much safer heading into the SEC Tournament if the Tide drops one or both games this week.
Enough of the negativity, though. What is the best-case scenario? In the regular season, that's easy: win both games this week. Do that, and we can all feel 100% assured that Alabama is indeed a "lock" before the SEC Tournament even begins. The Tide would have 21 wins against one of the highest-rated SOS in the country, would be 10-6 in one of the highest-rated conferences, and would have an RPI around 25th. Not only that, but Alabama would be almost guaranteed a bye in the SEC Tournament no matter what Tennessee and LSU do this week, and might possibly even catch Vanderbilt for the 3rd seed. At that point, the SEC Tournament would be about nothing but the Tide working to improve seeding position in the Big Dance.
Which brings me to the final point: Alabama's seeding ceiling (say that three times fast). In the truly best case scenario (wins this week followed by a run to the SEC Tournament final or even championship the following week) how high could the Tide climb in the seeding pecking order? That's very difficult to say, as it would depend heavily on what the teams ahead of Alabama do these next two weeks. However, it is very easy to see how Alabama could climb up to a 7 seed with a strong finish. Looking beyond that, though, it would be very difficult to crack into the top 6. An outright 5-0 finish these next two weeks might very well do it, but anything less would make it hard to see Alabama climbing that far, which is a shame, because to be perfectly honest, there really isn't much difference in a 7-10 seed, as you have to play a comparable opponent in the first round and then a top-two seed in the second round regardless. The real seed value comes in getting into the top 6 (or even falling down to 11 or possibly 12), where you can avoid playing those elite 1 and 2 seeds until at least the Sweet 16.
But let's not get ahead of ourselves. There will be plenty of time to talk seeding if and when Alabama locks up its spot in the first place, something the Tide can do simply by avoiding bad losses these next two weeks. That task starts on Wednesday night, when the Tide can just about lock up its spot in the Big Dance by beating--or more precisely avoid losing to--Auburn.
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So root against Tennessee
for the next two games? That’s all? Hell, that just comes naturally.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I can't stress that enough....
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Feb 27, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
quality write up, matt.
always need to be reminded of the underlying crash that could happen – but its nice to talk about some good things regarding the basketball team again. time to take care of business.
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I think the most likely scenario is:
Beat Auburn and Ole Miss, earn the 4 seed, beat LSU or Tennessee, lose to Kentucky.
I think that nets us a 7 or 8 seed.
3 seed in sec tourney
I think we all know that this Bama team CAN beat Ole Miss and Auburn. So, let’s assume we handle our business and beat them both. 10-6. Great. Vandy has UF and UT left. UT has LSU and Vandy left. If UT loses to LSU and beats Vandy, and Vandy loses to both UF and UT, we get the #3 seed in the SEC tournament and avoid Kentucky til the finals. I know its a lot to ask for, but stranger things have happened. If this scenario unfolds and Bama wins out, it sets up a marquee game against UK in the finals, with a big chance to impress the selection committee and maybe get one of the 6 seeds. Roll tide.
by RexBama13 on Feb 27, 2012 10:06 AM CST via mobile reply actions
^^^^This is the ticket
Ironically, if we win out, UF loses to both Vandy and UK, and Vandy beats UT, we finish tied for 2nd in the league but we only get the 4th seed. So, a lone 3rd place finish is better than tying for 2nd.
Correction
I meant that Vandy would need to lose to UT, which could mean a 4-way tie for 2nd.
Too much meth.
And math.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
by J Tadpole on Feb 27, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
One correction.
In your best-case scenario it wouldn’t matter whether UT beat LSU or not, if we tied with UT for 3rd we’d still get the 3 seed b/c we beat them head-to-head.
If it's all the same, Ima cheer against the Vols.
And also, I assume it’s generally ever so slightly better for our RPI for teams that we played twice to beat teams that we only played once. So as a general rule I cheer for the (former) West teams to beat the East. Except AU.
God bless our Dark Lord.
Yours is a good policy.
You have my endorsement.
good point
So we have to pull for the Vols? Ouch. But, whatever helps the team.
by RexBama13 on Feb 27, 2012 2:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No, I think he's saying it doesn't matter whether they win or lose.
Bammer translation: We want them to lose.
God bless our Dark Lord.
Don't put words in bammer's mouth.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
He doesn't seem to have that many words about roundball.
He won’t notice if they’re words like that.
Dave Robertson is growing up to be the new Mariano Rivera. My two universes of fandom can finally unite!
by SoGladILeftTheACC on Feb 27, 2012 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
Great seeing Bama's second half performance this past weekend.
I missed the first half, but they were dominant on D and I couldn’t beleive how many 3s they made. I had to double check to make sure I was watching Bama’s perimeter game.
Talent can only get you so far. Give me a player who has less talent, but the heart of a champion and the will to succeed.
I've been saying all along
That if we can’t get a 6 seed I’d rather have an 11 seed. The projected 3 seeds at the moment (Georgetown, Marquette, Michigan, Xavier) are all beatable and 3 seeds don’t always get to play in their backyards like the 1 and 2 seeds.
My guess is that we beat Auburn, lose at Ole Miss and get 4th in the SEC. I don’t know what will happen then, but I’m always pessimistic about our SEC Tournament chances since we rarely make much noise.
Totally agree.
To me getting an 11 would not be a bad draw at all. If we move to #8 it looks good, but realistically we are probably not going to make the Sweet 16.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
That really depends on the draw.
We won’t be in the same bracket with UK but I think there is a big gap between Syracuse and the 3, 4, and 5 teams, Duke, Kansas, and Mich. St. I think we could beat any of the latter at the top of our game but not sure we would have a chance against Syracuse. We basically played our best game of the year against UK and could not beat them.
We did not...
…play our best game of the year against UK…unless you’re looking into our future SEC tourney win against them next month….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Feb 27, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
Touche'
But it would help if UK would have a bad game against us.
Our D will force them to have a bad game against us....
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Feb 27, 2012 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
And FWIW, that game was at UK.
Of course the SECT is a home court for them as well.
God bless our Dark Lord.
All the way in New Orleans I hope that'll dissipate a little.
Not enough, but it’ll be better than Atlanta.
Dave Robertson is growing up to be the new Mariano Rivera. My two universes of fandom can finally unite!
by SoGladILeftTheACC on Feb 27, 2012 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
Don't kid yourself
UK fans will flood to NO this year.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Unfortunately, 5026 is right.
There will actually be more UK fans in a venue where they think that they have a better chance of getting a ticket. The place will be flooded with Blue and White.
Syracuse would be our worst nightmare
Their 2-3 would absolutely ruin us. We beat them a few years ago but that’s because we had an outstanding 3 point shooting team.
by Nick Signore on Feb 27, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
Have you seen him shoot Free Throws?
He line drives those suckers. I’d bet his 3 pt. shot is almost flat.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Yep, I'm dumbfounded every time one of those things goes in.
…although now that I check the stats on rolltide.com, it says that he’s only 1 of 5 on FTs. I coulda sworn he’d hit more than one. Maybe those aren’t updated?
God bless our Dark Lord.
Umm
Where is Xavier a 3 seed? You might not want to base your assessment off of that site, unless that’s a typo. No way is Xavier a 3 seed
xavier is barely in the tournament right now
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by Mr. Abe Froman on Feb 27, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
yep
honestly, the projected 3 seeds right now really don’t scare me much more than even the 9 seeds. Getting a 6, or even an 11 or 12, would be better in my opinion than a 7-10….but as I said in my post, barring a complete collapse or a complete dominating run, we’re looking pretty likely for that 7-10 range.
We should win
the rest of our regular season games, and a loss in either game would be a bad loss in my opinion. I think realistically we end up with an 8-9 seed but i could see us reaching a 7 with a win in the tournament.
by airman in bama on Feb 27, 2012 11:14 AM CST reply actions
After...
…we beat Kentucky and win the SEC tourney, we should earn a five or six seed quite easily….
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Feb 27, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
I detect a recurring theme . . .
. . . in your posts.
ellipses...
"It's not the size of the cat in the fight, it's size of the fight in the cat"
"Pep talks... only work when they touch that ember of truth learned the hardest possible way on the field.-Kleph
by thecalicocat on Feb 27, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
...and Kool-Aid....
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Feb 27, 2012 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
TWSS
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Lunardi has us as a 10-seed . . .
. . . in the latest Bracketology against St Marys and with Valpo and Ohio St. We’d have a pretty good chance at getting to sweet 16 in that bracket.
I'll take a bracket with Ohio State . . .
They struggled at South Carolina of all places (then again, we actually lost to South Carolina — although we did have Mitchell then.)
by Son of Roaring Dan on Feb 27, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions

"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Feb 27, 2012 10:06 PM CST up reply actions

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