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I have to admit the charges just being dropped without a trial does look a bit shady.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
What charges....
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by Tokeisch on Feb 6, 2012 9:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Possession of Marijuana.
In most places it is still illegal.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Hey, if he legitimately didn't know it was in the car then it's the right thing.
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If he didn't know I'd love to to talk with him about some real estate I have
after he signs his NFL deal.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Rogers is still charged
So at the MOST scandalous, Rogers fell on his sword to protect Dre. Either way, its a misdemeanor drug charge – not like they let the guy skate on some real crime.
"If wanting to win is a fault, as some of my critics seem to insist, then I plead guilty. I like to win. I know no other way. It's in my blood." -- Paul "Bear" Bryant
"fell on his sword" = about to be very well compensated.
Hopefully not the beginning of a get-away-with-anything notion that brings the guy down later.
Cam Newton defense eh?
Brilliant!
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by tc16cav on Feb 7, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
How in the hell would the DA make those charges stick?
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by RoscoeOfAlabama on Feb 7, 2012 11:03 PM CST up reply actions
Not knowing what evidence the police gathered
I think it is hard to guess. But, if they had the weed in the car and it was somewhere that Dre could see it, or if it appeared Dre had something do with hiding the stuff and if he tested positive for marijuana then I think it would be pretty easy to get a conviction. What is his defense? I didn’t know what I was smoking was pot?
And come on they are driving on the wrong side of the road. While that sounds funny they could have killed someone especially an innocent kid.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
by 5026 on Feb 7, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't see a single report that said they were actually smoking
Or that anyone tested positive for anything. I’m not saying there isn’t a possibility that Dre is guilty. I’m just saying don’t invent evidence. All we know is that Rogers was pulled over for driving on wrong side of road and a search of the vehicle found weed. That could mean they were all high as a kite and driving recklessly due to that. That could also mean Rogers got turned around, didn’t realize he was driving the wrong way, that weed had been stashed under his seat for a week, and nobody in the car had smoked at all.
"If wanting to win is a fault, as some of my critics seem to insist, then I plead guilty. I like to win. I know no other way. It's in my blood." -- Paul "Bear" Bryant
by GeauxCrimson on Feb 8, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
Honestly, "crimes" like this are the least of law enforcements worries
Courts & DA’s are so backed up with bigger crimes and issues that this really isn’t that important to them, especially with a first-time offender. Even if it was just some Joe Schmoe the case would probably have still been dropped.
The important thing is that on that evening, the cops got them off the streets and hopefully put a scare into them. This is law enforcement in 2012.
Fourteen and counting
I think all laws that are not important laws should thus be turned
in suggestions. You can start with that law that says you have to health care and move on to that law that says you have to wear a seat belt.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
have to buy...
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Isn't the...
…law that you pretty much have to buy everything? I’ve never gotten free health care or a free car.
I do wish Derrick Thomas had followed the seat belt suggestion….
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Feb 8, 2012 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that one's tough.
I’d rather see a law that says your car insurance is released from personal medical liability if you choose not to wear it. That way nobody’s freedom is infringed upon, including the freedom of everyone else to keep their insurance rates from being driven up bu others’ stupidity. Same with DUI- if you’re drunk and hit something, your personal medical bills are on you.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Again,
al.com reported that Kirkpatrick was under the influence of marijuana.
And also, Rogers admitted to buying the stuff that night. It had not been stashed under his seat for a week.
God bless our Dark Lord.
All the article says
is that Kirkpatrick was under the influence “according to the report.” How was this determined? A field sobriety test? A piss test? Kirkpatrick’s admission? Or merely the officer’s opinion?
Simply put, it would be a pain in the butt to prove that Kirkpatrick had committed criminal wrongdoing. Dropping the charges makes perfect sense.
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by RoscoeOfAlabama on Feb 8, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not shocked or appalled that the charges were dropped.
I’m just saying that the Cam defense doesn’t really pass the smell test here. And specifically, I was responding to this statement:
I didn’t see a single report that said they were actually smoking
God bless our Dark Lord.
Dre being the passenger could have told the fuzz that he was "high on life."
And that would been pretty smart. I once faked being possessed to get out of a parking ticket. Truth is, I would have shit my pants to successfully extricate myself from Dre’s predicament.
…just putting that out there for everyone’s consumption.
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Actually, they did not report that he was under the influence of marijuana
They reported that he tested positive for marijuana use. Being under the influence of a substance and testing positive for past use of a substance are two entirely different things. You can actually test positive for the consumption of alcohol for up to 4 days through a urinalysis. They don’t test for alcohol, they test for a metabolite called ETG which is a biproduct of a person’s liver when metabolizing ethanol. It is basically the same with marijuana. Marijuana can show up for 3 months. That does not mean that a person is under the influence of alcohol that he drank 4 days earlier, or marijuana that he smoked 3 months earlier.
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by LifelongBammer on Feb 8, 2012 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
Check out the big brain on LB!
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by NiceLittleSaturday on Feb 8, 2012 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
Conviction for what, though?
Possession? It’s not Dre’s car. DUI? He wasn’t driving. Public intox? He wasn’t causing a disturbance.
Considering the amount of Jack McCoy-ing they’d have to do prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and the penny-ante level of the charges, I’m not surprised in the slightest that the DA just said “forget it.”
(The friend, on the other hand, is gonna get busted, but that’s a different story. If the NFL draft punished players for simply knowning someone who’s gotten busted, the first round would consist exclusively of kickers.)
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by RoscoeOfAlabama on Feb 8, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
May sound shady but it really isn't all that unusual
I was a police officer for some 25 years and I saw this scenario played out countless times. A car gets pulled over with more than one occupant. The car gets searched and marijuana, or whatever, is found in no one in particular’s physical possession and everyone in the car gets charged with “collective possession”. From the reports the marijuana was found in the floor at Kirkpatrick’s feet but that still isn’t enough to prove in a criminal case that he alone possessed it. If he were the only one in the car it would have most certainly ended differently. They routinely charge everyone in the car and let the courts decide who gets to be the jackass in the end. Kind of a “kill ’em all and let God sort it out” kind of thing. This actually happens all the time.
It sounds shady, probably because it really isn’t fair to start with. I never agreed with the practice personally when dealing with minor cases like this. If I could not determine the required probably cause as to who actually was in possession, then the tie goes to the runner. No one possessed it. I am not going to arrest 5 people for possession of one small bag of weed because, obviously, 5 people cannot possess one small bag of weed. Call it a wash and move on, it is not that big of a deal in the first place. You cannot impact the drug war one dime bag at a time but young cops just don’t get that. I know that because I supervised them and they looked at me like I was “nekkid” everytime I said that to them.
"The last time we saw a Tiger beaten that bad, someone had to take the golf club away from his wife" Chumley
Sorry... post fail. I meant "probable cause" .... not "probably cause"
"The last time we saw a Tiger beaten that bad, someone had to take the golf club away from his wife" Chumley
by LifelongBammer on Feb 8, 2012 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
Like I said...laws we don't like should be turned into suggestions.
Since no one but me is capable of deciding which laws are stupid I’ll be in charge of deciding which laws are now just suggestions.
This law about seat belts is pretty stupid. From now on police shall not write a ticket for not wearing your seat belt. And what about this law that says you can’t carry a gun without a permit. That is a stupid law. I’ve got a right to protect myself. As long as all I shoot are criminals why do I have to get a permit? That law is now a suggestion. Besides, how are you going to enforce that law anyway? You find a guy with a gun on him if he throws it on the ground how you going to prove it is his gun and not someone else who happened to be in the area in the last 3 months. Or maybe the guy is innocent and just happened on a gun about 10 seconds before the police go there. And by the way, this stupid law about registering guns is not solving the problem of violence in our world so lets get rid of the law. Put criminals in jail, you know murderers and rapist. Don’t put regular citizens who want to carry a weapon around in their pocket in jail on technicality.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Feb 8, 2012 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
What do anti-lock brakes have to do with this?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Probably not
but then again who knows. i do know this…unfortunately I don’t get to pick and choose which laws I will obey and police should not pick and chose which laws they enforce and judges should pass judgement based purely on the law. If the law is wrong change the law don’t ignore it.
That being said, if there is absolutely no evidence he should not have been arrested in the first place. If there was evidence there should be a trial.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
I would agree...
…if we weren’t talking about, you know, people. People make so many mistakes on a daily basis that I’m all for correcting a mistake (like an improper arrest) without going through the time and expense of a trial.
And you do get to pick and choose which laws you will obey. You just need to be aware of the consequences of those choices (Yes, I know you already know this).
And yes, you’re also right that there are laws that need to be changed instead of ignored. Too many to count. It would be nice if we could expedite the process.
"High standards come from passion within...." --Coach Nick Saban
by NiceLittleSaturday on Feb 9, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
50 does not pick and choose, and he has never jaywalked or exceeded the speed limit or urinated in a supermarket aisle!!
Oh, that last one’s just me? Oh, ummm… yeah, I don’t do that either.
Fact is, 50, that police make decisions every day about who to arrest and who not to arrest based on how much evidence they have, how likely they think a conviction is, and how serious the offense is. That’s part of their job.
God bless our Dark Lord.
I'll admit to speeding on occasion
and I once got stopped going 57 in a 55 mph zone and got a ticket. And I paid it because my cruise was set on 57.
But…I’ll have you know I’ve never jaywalked that I can recall. Bu then again I rarely find myself in a situation where jaywalking is necessary.
However, I sometimes fail to move over to the far left lane when a patrolman has someone stopped on the interstate. And is it really illegal to urinate in public? I had to do it once (HAD TO) in the London subway, but I did not jaywalk afterwards.
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
It is illegal to urinate in public in every city I've ever lived in
and in some states it will get you on the sex offender list.
Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer Give 'Em HELL Alabama!
by RoscoeOfAlabama on Feb 10, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
Is urinating in a public pool
considered urinating in public?
If Auburn was in New Mexico and we never played them I would still hate them and their dumb coach and their cheating players.
Good question
I assume not, assuming you keep your trunks on.
Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer Give 'Em HELL Alabama!
by RoscoeOfAlabama on Feb 10, 2012 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
Probably also depends on whether or not you're in the pool at the time.
God bless our Dark Lord.
by CarrotTop4 on Feb 11, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
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