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Garbage Time Part Two: Todd Chimes In, Vulgarity Ensues

Brian responds, and he's still a dick:

Issue #2. Nick Saban has taken the concept of oversigning and stretched it unto its breaking point. This is a nasty, filthy practice only undertaken by a program that couldn't really give a crap about the idea of a mutual commitment between player and school.

I won't bother with Issue #1 since it's a personal beef between Cook and the recruiting services, and I couldn't care less about how or why he thinks Alabama shouldn't be considered the #1 recruiting class in the nation until the fall.  But Issue #2?  Fuck you.  He can blather on and on about OTS's "voodoo math" and moronic points since OTS called him out on his haircut (and in this very post I've already referred to him as a "dick") and therefor name calling is fair game, but this is where he's a gigantic ass that should shut his whore mouth:

The fucking point is that fucking Alabama is going to kick kids off the fucking team for no fucking reason. The point is not that violating the NCAA's made-up limit is evil. The NCAA limit is there because the NCAA would like you to not kick kids off the fucking team, but for various reasons the rule's pretty easy to skate around. The issue is not 32 > 25. The issue is that 70 + 32 > 85.

No fucking reason?  How about this fucking reason: mutual commitment is a two way street, asshole.  If you get a scholarship offer to play football, you damn well better produce or someone else is going to take your place.  Is that mean?  Maybe, but I don't see you bitching about kids on academic scholarships that lose theirs because they don't keep their grades up.  Produce and contribute, you'll be fine.  Screw around and don't live up to your end of the bargain, tough, deal with it.

Though all scholarships are technically one-year commitments, in practice players are guaranteed four years as long as they remain eligible and keep their noses clean. There is one legitimate way to remove a kid from your team without some sort of malfeasance on his part: fourth-year juniors are commonly not offered a fifth year unless they are contributors.

So by your own admission scholarship offers are (technically) one-year commitments, and that apparently it's okay to not offer a fifth year kid if they aren't contributors.  So why is it that you can't "not offer" an underclassmen another year if he isn't a contributor to the team?  Again, mutual commitment is a two street (asshole), you're just trying to figure out a way to say cutting a player that can't even manage to get on the three deep is "illegitimate."  And what about the natural attrition all programs face, especially ones undergoing a significant change in coaching philosophy, that will more than likely happen at Alabama in the spring?

There is a difference between what's likely to happen at Michigan after spring practice -- a few transfers from kids that no longer fit in the offense -- and what has to happen at Alabama. Michigan will be operating under the 85 scholarship limit this fall and has every incentive to keep those players around. They will be leaving of their own volition. Alabama has every incentive to dump guys. They flat out have to. If a kid is struggling with his academic eligibility how motivated will Alabama be to help him? If a player commits a petty offense how eager will Alabama be to boot him? If Nick Saban knows that by August he has to say goodbye to six kids and it's July and he's only got four down, then what?

I'll tell you what: someone gets it right in the ass.

First, fuck you.  Don't go leveling accusations of unfair dealings that haven't taken place because you think and want to believe that's what is going to happen.  Whatever stick you're getting right up your ass towards Saban, the University of Alabama, and the entire South, jam it up further.  Second, again, boo fucking hoo.  As soon as this gets posted I'll be headed out to pick up a violin and sign up for lessons, so don't expect a lot of posting from me over the next few days.  Let me get this straight, Cook; It is perfectly fine for kids to leave Michigan of their own volition because of the change in coaching philosophy since the great UM really, really wants the little darlings to stick around, but if Alabama's kids want to go elsewhere to seek playing time (even if it is because their coaches encourage them to) because they don't fit in with the new staff and the schems they run, then "OMG$ABAN=3VIL!!!1"?   Yeah, cram it further, asshole.  

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is getting pretty heated....AWESOME!

by bammer on Feb 15, 2008 1:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Todd
I have never been more proud of you [sob] in my entire rollbamaroll life [sob].  That guy is really ill informed, and a hypocrite to boot.  He is blatantly attacking Alabama and Saban.  Guess this is the flipside of being successful at something [recruiting].

Go Buckeyes!

"FAILURE" - When your best just isn't good enough

by BamaReturns07 on Feb 15, 2008 1:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Response
Nice response Todd.  Of course, as soon as it was made out to be a Big 10 vs. South thing the literacy stereotypes, amongst other insued.  

I think for me what is the interesting part is that Saban has not runoff any players.  I think it is fair to say that many if not most Alabama fans wanted Saban to do this last year.  I still think if we had gotten rid of some of the players we might have enjoyed more success.  

The fact is that there are plenty of players who are not doing the right thing at many schools, and there is nothing wrong with getting rid of them.  I think it is naive to have this idealized image of CFB players.  The kids are not choir boys.   He uses an anecdote about one player who had to enroll at UM, this was one of the main cruxes of his argument as to what happens to these poor kids who offered full scholarships to college.  It sounded almost too hokey.

Brian can try and disguise his argument however he wants, but this was not some pointed article at looking at a national social ill.  This was a short-handed attempt to take a shot at someone he hates, Saban.  

by kennybk483 on Feb 15, 2008 1:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Well....
I love Bama football, and the fact that we are hated on all the time regardless of what is going on. Either way it will all work itself out in the end, and WAY TO GO TODD!!! RTR!!

Go Buckeyes!!

SDBama78

by SDBama78 on Feb 15, 2008 1:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Questions/Comments
  1. Let me say first, that you for at least offering a legit argument to Brian's piece.  If you read through the AOL comments, there is not one concrete argument worth pointing out.  The fundamental difference in view is whether or not you see scholarships as binding (Michigan/Big10) or whether or not its a mutual commitment (Alabama/SEC).  *Please note thats not all schools in both conferences, just the general idea.
  2. In an attempt to grasp a better understanding of the Alabama version, how many of the student athletes are lost for performance on the field?  The general consensus (Not just in Big10 country, but around the nation as I lived in Texas for a few years, and am currently on the West Coast) is that most of your cuts aren't necessarily to academics, but several are to players that deservingly would have made a team in many other schools.  Those players were left without a scholarship available, and coach so & so of the time had to make difficult cuts (much the same way I do it on NCAA 08).  I'm just looking for insight here, not to start a flame war.
  3.  Brian's argument about the "Mallett Transfer" said he would expect 2 or so to transfer.  He's not saying its fair for us to have it, but that it is less of a deal when you at least keep his scholarship open.  Mallett would have been nice to keep, but if he hadn't left when he did, we would have kept the scholarship open for him.  This point is very hypothetical, I admit that.
  4.  Please note these are questions and comments presented in a more civil manner.  I do not have a beef with either Alabama or Saban.  Nor do I have a beef with the SEC, although many of your fans act like obnoxious assholes, not everyone is like that, and even so, many of your schools have excellent programs.

by formerlyanonymous on Feb 15, 2008 1:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

You make slightly more sense, but you still have
some holes.  First and foremost, all fan bases have obnoxious assholes.  But sometimes these obnoxious assholes have to keep obnoxious asshole writers/bloggers in check, for not everything written by someone with a URL is golden.

Second, you start off the conversation by stating that, in your experience, the entire country is baffled by Alabama's recruiting and cuts made afterwards.  That sounds really incredulous, to say the least, and I think it probably comes from a superiority complex suffered by the BIG 10, because the best shots/comebacks your fan base has is to blast education, poverty levels, and general cliche southern cracks.  Yea you.

Third, if you have a beef with binding vs mutual agreement schollies, take it up with the system/SEC/Big 10; the continued personal assaults on Alabama - singularly, as no other school has been attacked by Brian the asshole - and Saban make it seem otherwise, that there is a hatred or agenda against one or both of these entities.

Finally, go buckeyes.

"FAILURE" - When your best just isn't good enough

by BamaReturns07 on Feb 15, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Scholarships
I think there is something to this argument, in regards to coaches not keeping their commitments to players.  I think it was just brought up in a poor manner.  I honestly do not have any particular cases where Alabama players that were on scholarship have been dropped.  In fact there were practically no defections last year when Saban took over the program.  I understand the idea of a 4 year commitment you are making to a player.  I think this idea would have been better brought up with a program who was not just coming off of NCAA probation.  The probation sort of necessitated that Alabama take more of the "sketchy" recruits.  

I think in regards to Alabama there are probably players that should have been kicked out of the program.  We have had a problem with behavior by some of the players on the team in recent years, sort of a hangover by the previous regime.  I do not think there is anything wrong getting rid of the players who are not doing the right things that are necessary.  I go back to my original point, that this would have been an interesting point if you were to go back in do a retrospective piece on how, a class that was oversigned ended up working out.  When you make blanket assumptions that something is wrong without the necessary research, it obviouly is going to anger people.  The problem with Brian's article is that he does not have the proper breadth of knowledge to cover something involving Alabama football.

by kennybk483 on Feb 15, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The crux of all the ire
is that everyone is assuming Saban is going to fail to uphold the commitment to these kids' LOIs, but the truth is he's done everything to the contrary.  The number of commitments he turned down speaks to that far more than a guy in Michigan with an irrational hatelust for a coach hundreds of miles away that his team probably won't be playing anytime soon.

by TideFaninTN on Feb 15, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Holy
crap, dude. Think of the kittens. And yes, I've been looking for a way to shoehorn that into the conversation for a week.

This is, and has always been, primarily a campaign against uppity Southerners that don't remember their place. When we get these high-falutin' ideas of winning and championships, our massahs in the Nawth are always ready to raise a stink.

by AlabamaGameday on Feb 15, 2008 1:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

blog fight, blog fight
but at least its not getting personal.  i like how brian and his michigan commenters act like alabama is the armpit of america.  like detroit is right up there with hawaii and florida as vacation destinations.  

why doesn't brian attack minnesota for signing 30+ players.  at least they are in michigan's conference and therefore should be more relevant to him.  am i to believe the gophers had 30+ slots open??  or is it just b/c their 30+ players weren't nearly as good as bama's??

by gerry dorsey on Feb 15, 2008 1:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

They are haters man, haters
And Michigan sucks.  As much as it irks me to do so, I will pull for OSU all day long just to piss off michigan fans.

Screw you Michigan assholes!

"FAILURE" - When your best just isn't good enough

by BamaReturns07 on Feb 15, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why
say that?!?!?! The last time i check UM beat UF in the bowl game. Come on guys lets use to common sense here.

by bammer on Feb 15, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I never brought up the appy game
I think you meant to reply to someone else.  I ain't goin there after ULM
"FAILURE" - When your best just isn't good enough

by BamaReturns07 on Feb 15, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Please!!!
Do your homework before you say something. Minn has the ability to sign that many players because they are losing so many seniors and have room to fit a large class. Bama on the other hand is only losing 15 seniors and is bringing in 32.

by bammer on Feb 15, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

BLOG FIGHT INDEED
our readers could totally kick his readers ass

And on a side note, nothing sounded sweeter than 110,000 silent people in the so-called big house when Appalachian State blocked that field goal. Me and the other 20 people in the stands cheering for ASU were the only audible voices in Ann Arbor for the next 30 minutes. Was gorgeous.

Shove that up your ass Brian.

by crbama on Feb 15, 2008 2:00 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Didn't
we have a pretty embarressing loss this year also. Lets put things into perspective.

by bammer on Feb 15, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you're right
i shouldn't have mentioned it, but anytime i think of michigan football, that view from the stands sticks out, and can't help but say something. I received my undergraduate from Appalachian State as well, so keep that in mind.

to their credit, the fans afterwards were extremely nice, and I'd recommend a visit there to anyone.

but brian should stick it up his ass either way

by crbama on Feb 15, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Please God
let us play Michigan in a bowl game this year.

by Nose Guard on Feb 15, 2008 2:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Corrections Literary Genious
You guys are stupid beyond words.

You are bringing up Appalachian State? Wow, congratulations. You have nothing good to say about Alabama so you are taking shots at Michigan, because some other team beat them? Congrats, guys.

Gerry Dorsey, if you could fucking read, you would know why Brian didn't "attack Minnesota for signing 30+ players." A team is allowed 85 scholarship slots at a time, and while Alabama is going quite a bit over that limit, Minnesota is not. Fucking idiot.

Oh, and:

"Guess this is the flipside of being successful at something [recruiting]."

Yeah, fantastic recruiting season until you guys let go of as many as you need to to meet the limit, and then it's just a good class.  You guys still don't have an impact on the season, again.

Roll Tide, you fucking idiots!

by kennybk483 on Feb 15, 2008 2:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Though i
Don't agree with bringing up App St. there is no reason to start calling us all stupid. Remember this "Just because i talk slow doesn't mean im stupid". I have no clue why a bunch of UM fans give two shits about Alabama. You guys have enough to worry about.

by bammer on Feb 15, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OH yeah
and don't be too surprised when your own coach turns out to be as dirty as the day is long. Up and leaving WV was just as dirty as what Saban did to Miami. That dude is using you guys just to get the pros. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ We might be paying Saban a shit load of money but at least we all know and admit he's an asshole. Pull the plank out of your own eye before you try to remove the dust from mine, you stupid bitch.

by bammer on Feb 15, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

people in michigan is smart
i'm pretty sure all of my minnesota comments had question marks.  that wasn't an accident.  i, like most people in minnesota, don't give a fuck about minnesota football, and therefore don't have the foggiest idea about their scholarship numbers.  not unlike mr. mgo, who appears to be hazy at best in regards to the details of alabama and their scholarships.

by gerry dorsey on Feb 15, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The point is...
...that you drink your own pee, and also that kids that get cut for not performing ARE GETTING CUT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PERFORMING YOU HALF WIT.  DON'T ACT LIKE ALMIGHTY MICHIGAN HAS NEVER CUT A KID THAT DIDN'T LIVE UP TO HIS END OF THE BARGAIN AND WE SHOULD ALL STOOP AND BOW AT YOUR WONDERFUL BENEVOLENCE, AND DON'T ACT LIKE YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE ROSTER AT ALABAMA BECAUSE YOU DON'T AND I CAN GUARANDAMNTEE YOU THAT ANY KID WHO IS DOING HIS PART, BUYING INTO THE NEW STAFF'S SYSTEM, AND GIVING EFFORT IS SAFE, AND ANY KID THAT WANTS TO SHIRK HIS S&C DUTIES AND GET IN THE COACHING STAFF'S DOGHOUSE ISN'T, AND THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.  

by Todd on Feb 15, 2008 2:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

No
The point is that you know absolutely nothing about the current Alabama recruiting class, despite having it spelled out for you letter by letter by someone who does

come back once our roster is finalized and please point out to us the poor kids who were cut and didn't deserve it.

Until then, kindly SHUT THE FUCK UP

by crbama on Feb 15, 2008 2:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, so you are an idiot
Anyone with that user name and that remarkably ingenious comeback, well, you have zero cred sir.

Enjoy yourself; thanks to all you Michigan fans trolling on our boards.  Appreciate the smell!

"FAILURE" - When your best just isn't good enough

by BamaReturns07 on Feb 15, 2008 2:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The Kids
Yes, it is all about the poor kids.  You know they are our future, right?

You are doing a good job as Brian's mouthpiece, though!

by kennybk483 on Feb 15, 2008 2:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

FtheTide should let others argue for her
Gerry Dorsey is correct, because you're own precious Big10 (per the equally precious Brian) established the rule that you can only oversign by two or three players which puts Minnesota firmly over that limit.  See, the 25/85 thing apparently is really tricky for Big10 folks to grasp, but that 25 part means that is the absolute most scholarships you can give in a single year regardless of how many kids you already have on scholarship.  So even if Minnesota only had one kid on scholarship this year, they would still be 5 over.  

And it is a fantastic recruiting class because if we are to accept Brian's argument wholesale as you do (and move closer to the idiotopia that would ensue from that line of thinking) then only the best of the best players will be retained and so when they re-evaluate the class, our rating will improve and angst over what Alabama is doing will wash over Michigan once again, giving you something to talk about instead of why you aren't helping pay for the buyout of the coach you are at the very least co-conspirators with.  

by TideFaninTN on Feb 15, 2008 2:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Please draw a picture of the extreme hypothetical
you are talking about, because what you are basically saying is that if we can rewrite this past season where all the kids who didn't live up to their end of the bargain would do so the next time around, then Saban is a bad man.  Under those circumstances that exist solely in the minds of people who don't know anything about what they are talking about.  And it's cute how you think "inbred" is original, but references to Appy State are not.  If that's the kind of genius they instill at UM, then my tuition was well spent elsewhere.

by TideFaninTN on Feb 15, 2008 2:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

i'm so glad that
saban is so evil/dishonest and richrod is so virtuous/honest so that michigan fans can focus on our coach/recruiting from all the way across the country.

by gerry dorsey on Feb 15, 2008 2:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

then what is the purpose of the 25 limit?
You can only give 25 in a year, regardless of how many you have to offer.  That's why it's the 25/85 rule.  But based on your limited vocabulary, I'm assuming you haven't actually bothered to learn the rules in question, either.

by TideFaninTN on Feb 15, 2008 2:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The sad thing about the Michigan side
Is that they don't actually have a single case to use against Saban.  Think about that, not a single example of actual malfeasance.  Not one quote from a disgruntled ex-player ... or a gruntled current one, for that matter.  So, in the absence of pesky fact, is it any wonder that they wrap their argument in moral (self)-righteousness and paeans for a great society?  They don't like the IDEA of oversigning.  In THEORY, it's a bad practice.  This is why, when Todd clearly explains that if a kid doesn't want his scholly yanked, it behooves him to excel on the playing field, he may as well be speaking pidgin Cantonese.  The Michigan argument has nothing to do with facts or reality, it's merely cheap and easy moral grandstanding.  If anything, it's the classic liberal fantasia of moral turpitude and self-sacrifice ... but not really ... for the greater good ... that means us ... and for the love of God, let's really and truly do it, you know, for the kids ... by which I mean my kids.

by aladambama on Feb 15, 2008 2:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This...
was a fantastic post.

by Cam on Feb 16, 2008 11:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Please show me one indication where this has
happened.  It hasn't.  Nor will it.  Saban has in fact been vocal about the fact that he wouldn't do that, but we only hear what we want to hear.
 

by TideFaninTN on Feb 15, 2008 3:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I dont understand
and maybe someone can enlighten me. I played on in a Div 1-AA School under a free ride. I never saw this happening. Now I know that it was 1-AA. Ill go ahead and say the team was Marshall and we were coached by Jim Donnan then. Also around alot of guys from Div-1 during the summer and never heard of this happening. I mean think about all the seniors that graduate who never see the field but are still given the chance to get their education that they were promised. I know there are alot from all schools that are in that situation. So the basis of just kicking a player off the team just to make room for a better player is crazy. Now I have also saw my share of guys who were dismissed for breaking rules however I also know that most of those guys are still allowed to finish school if they want or transfer if they want. Or guys who leave because they realized they made a mistake and the school or the coach is not their cup of tea and want to try it out somewhere else. So what if Saban anticipates some non qualifiers and guys who are leaving the team because they are not happy with the current set up. Who are we or for this argument who are they to judge his motives. I guarantee you this he already know who is leaving the team and has planned ahead. Whats wrong with that? Not a damn thing. Its just plin jealosy and thats all it is. I promise you it all started when Saban landed the all everything running back out of Michigan. So I have to say one final thing and Ill get off my stump. FUCK MICHIGAN AND GO BUCKEYES.
I am a member of the Sabanation Roll!!Tide!!

by lawbama1 on Feb 15, 2008 3:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Sweet!!!!!!!
How funny is it that someone from the unemployment, pollution and rioting capital of the US would make fun of Alabama! He is from Michigan, not California or Maine. I have been to Detroit several times and can honestly and objectively say that Michigan's largest city is  a shithole.

Brian ahows a typical Michigan union attitude that players should remain on the roster based upon seniority not production.  Next year coach Rod will do exactly what Saban is doing, getting the best players possible for his system. It will nice to watch Brian justify the same actions he comdemns.

by heffie on Feb 15, 2008 3:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm gonna have to go with Brian on this one
As a diehard Alabama fan I really believe that the SEC needs to step up and stop this oversigning problem. Kids should never be cut from a team just because they do not perform well. A collegiate football player is too delicate and should be nurtured in a loving, easy going, Big10-type environment. I also believe that ever commitment should get not only a 4 year, no strings attached scholarship, but also a puppy and a bag of rainbows.
-Ethan, Trussville AL

by leftygunns22 on Feb 15, 2008 4:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Well,
Some of this was at least thought provoking.  Others clearly didn't read all of the articles.  

Notes one more time for some of you:

As for cutting players, Michigan doesn't cut players unless its medical, the player chooses to transfer, the player is in trouble with the law, or the player enters the draft/leaves the team.  Our medical losses are still awarded their scholarship (same thing at Alabama I believe), even after being removed and do not count toward the 85 scholarship players.  

Minnesota had enough eligible scholarships to have a class over 25. IIRC, 28, could be mistaken.  Again, the Big10 forces a school to produce where the scholarships are coming from if you are to over-sign.  They have done so.

If you expect anything better than "stupid southern jokes," you are way overrating any comment section on any site.  Everyone has their idiots.  On that note, I would like to commend you guys for not posting stupid comments on how Michigan is America's armpit or Appalachian state this or that.  By the way, saying "Go buckeyes" doesn't actually piss us off.

Last point, AOL Fanblogs are probably the most retarded pieces of sports writing available.  The writers, IMO, try to start flame wars.  This is the third  "blog war" Brian has been in this offseason.  Black Shoe Diaries (you think stereotypical Michigan stuff is bad, what until you read Penn State), Black Heart Gold Pants (Brian's sarcasm reader didn't go off), and now Roll Tide.  I want to say there were some minute tussles due to some other fan house posts as well.  Let me tell you, Montanans love their football and will protect it more than CBS does the SEC.  

RECAP:  Again, this boils down to the belief that over-signing is binding or a two way street.  Or in broader terms, loyalty vs worthiness.  However you want to look at it.

Well, I'm glad this is 90% over.  Have fun bashing Michigan some more.

by formerlyanonymous on Feb 15, 2008 6:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Fine points @formerlyanonymous
except the part about Minnesota.  In no year can a team give more than 25 scholarships, regardless of how many scholarships shy of 85 a team may be.  That is why scholarship limitations are so devastating, because you can't just cover them again once the penalty period is up.

by TideFaninTN on Feb 15, 2008 8:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

people who judge saban
or try to call him evil or opportunistic are either too stupid to read a full news article, or just simply hatin because they're jilted lovers. NO ONE, and I repeat, NO ONE in the Miami Dolphins organization had bad things to dsay after saban left. heizinga had good things to say, the players, jason Talyor in particluar, had good things to say. to say that his departure from miami was contested or contentious is not just "revisionist" histopry it's a completed fabrication, beyond the level of a distortion, an outright fabrication. why do people continue to assert that saban screwed miami? because the media in miami and to some extent, on the national scene, got the story wrong. so the media folks have their panties twisted because they got a story wrong, after 2 months of being jagofs who were trying to create a story and ask him countless times questions they knew there was no answer too, they got but sore, when at the end of the year, when anyone with a brain knew the real q' and a's should begin to be asked and answered, the story developed and they were left looking like a-holes for reporting that he was not leaving, when in fact he was, and they should have known. So because shitty writers and radio jocks are jilted, the saban hatin' is now trickeling down to morons who can not read past a headline or remember the actual stories when the event occured.

Saban's actions when leaving Miami were nothing akin to bobby petrino's action ditching his team mid season, without talking to ownership or players. Saban did both of those things and made his decision after the season with the owners and players blessing.

dikrod is tryin to weasel out of money he ows his alma matter, who he just used bama to extort millions formt he seaosn prior.

Saban has dont nothing wrong from an eithical standpoint, froma PR standpoint, he's now being labeled with the petrino's and rodreguez's of the world and it isn't fair.

finally, football and life are not fair. it's just too bad that we as football fans cant have rational discussions about issues like this.
and it's too bad the big 10 carries enough weight to factor into a disccusion about SEC football.

by tempebamafan on Feb 15, 2008 9:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Great post Tempebamafan
I completely agree with you. Coach Saban is probably the most misunderstood and unneccesarily bashed figure in college football. The thing about Saban is that he is incredibly intense. All he wants to do is coach football and win. He doesn't want to talk to the media or do PR work when he could be recruiting and working. I can honestly step away from the fact that I am an Alabama fan and say that I don't think Saban did anything wrong when he left Miami. Could he have handled it better? yeah. Did he say what he thought was the best thing at the time to say to benefit his team? yeah. Have any other coaches ever gone to a school after previously saying they would not? You bet your ass. Saban gets all the backlash though because he is a winner. If Tommy Tuberville and Urban Meyer go out and steal a car tomorrow, who is going to get the most media attention? The guy who won a national championship.

A scary trend among sports media is that they have become increasingly soft. All of a sudden a guy comes in with an aggressive approach to recruiting and coaching and he's a dirty cheating jerk. I mean come on, kids sign that letter of intent knowing very well that there is a possibility that they will get cut. Thats why America kicks socialist ass - free market competition. I miss the days at Texas A&M when Bryant could weed out soft players at junction.

-Ethan, Trussville AL

by leftygunns22 on Feb 15, 2008 11:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He is an
ASS HOLE!!!! Plain and simple. Just becuase i am a life long Bama fan and he is my coach, doesn't mean i can't acknowledge the fact he is an ass. He is an ass to his staff, he's an ass to the media (which i have no problem with) and he's he ass to everyone else. This doesn't mean i don't like him, it just means he's an ASS.

by bammer on Feb 16, 2008 4:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's about winning!!!
Want ever Saban has to do to turn Bama around I am for it!! NOT for cheating and Ncaa problems, but Saban has to bring better talent for bama to regain its rightful place for SEC and NATIONAL titles. As for the asshole Michigan blog writer, stick to your team motherfucker!!! I am a Miami
Dolphins fan also and i didn't like the way Saban
handled the whole media problem. Jimmy Johnson the
Dallas Cowboy coach did any thing he could to turn around the cowboys and Saban is going to do
the same thing at Bama. I ALWAYS PULLED FOR MICHIGAN OVER OHIO ST, THAT HAS CHANGED 360###  
AND GO BUCKEYES AND ROLL TIDE

by tucker99 on Feb 16, 2008 5:07 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

vacation destination
As I look out my home-office window at the lovley waves lapping onto the shore and listen to the calls of the seagulls, I chuckle at the thought that half of the Michigan bloggers (all of whom think they know how to run everything in AL better than we ever could) don't even know we have a Gulf Coast.  That is in spite of the fact that our entire County is crawling with snow birds, escaping such winter hell-holes.
marycontrary

by adeleswims on Feb 16, 2008 6:02 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Great point.
They can stay up there.  
tubs sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!

by BAMA PHREAK on Feb 16, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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