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SEC 2008: On the Road and 1-AA Cupcakes at Home

The SEC is often accused of padding their schedules with soft competition and of not being willing to travel. It's a an accusation with some merit. Since the advent of the 12 game schedule, many SEC schools have often had eight home games. Before that, it was common to have a seven game home schedule. I was perusing the 2008 SEC schedules though and noticed an overall upward trend in both quality of non-conference opponents and a willingness to travel that we haven't seen in a long time. Only LSU has an eight game home schedule this year. Here's a quick look at SEC non-conference travel this year:

Alabama: Clemson in Atlanta
Arkansas: at Texas
Auburn: at West Virginia
Florida: Georgia in Jacksonville, at Florida State
Georgia: at Arizona State, Florida in Jacksonville
Kentucky: at Louisville
Mississippi State: at Louisiana Tech, at Georgia Tech
Ole Miss: at Wake Forest
South Carolina: at Clemson
Tennessee: at UCLA
Vanderbilt: at Miami (Ohio), at Wake Forest

I realize that several of those are standing rivalries and might be dismissed by naysayers, but travel to FSU, Louisville, Clemson can't be shrugged off because it's routine. Two games are neutral site (one conference, one non-conference), but it's still a forfeiture of revenue and home field advantage.

With the exception of the two Vanderbilt games and MSU at LaTech, all of these games are near locks for TV coverage (Ole Miss at WF is a bit questionable too...but it has a chance of regional coverage) Unfortunately this newfound sense of adventure is coupled with the nagging problem of scheduling 1-AA teams. Just about everybody's got one too:

Alabama: Western Kentucky, though I give us a bit of a pass on this one since they're in a transition year to being D1...though I don't know if this was known when the scheduling decision was made. WKU is playing 10 D1 opponents this year.
Arkansas: Western Illinois
Auburn: Tennessee-Martin
Florida: The Citadel
Georgia: Georgia Southern
Kentucky: Norfolk State, Western Kentucky (I'd be interested to know if both count toward bowl eligibility...)
LSU: Appalachian State
Mississippi State: Southeastern Louisiana
Ole Miss: Samford
South Carolina: Wofford

That's ten teams with 1-AA opponents, nine if Western Kentucky is counted as D1 since they're kind of homeless right now (they'll be eligible to earn a bowl bid in the Sun Belt next year.) I realize you can't play USC, Ohio State, Texas and West Virginia for your non-conference schedule, but we, as a conference, shouldn't be playing the 1-AA schools. I know those games serve the money machine, but I don't even care about them. Had Western Carolina not been Saban's first game and the opening game of the season, I wouldn't have gone last year. Actually, the most important factor in attending that game is that I lived within walking distance of the stadium. Without that, I would've skipped it entirely. I like the travel trend, but the 1-AA games have got to cease.

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LSU...
...should get credit for Appy State. A clash of reigning (mythical) national champions!

by Todd on Apr 9, 2008 5:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Had they not beaten...
Had they not beaten Michigan last year, nobody would give them credit for scheduling this game. I doubt it was scheduled after they beat Michigan. It's interesting that it's a "clash of champions" but I doubt ASU pulls the upset. I'd love it if they did, but I doubt it lightning strikes twice for them.
Roll Tide!

by Nico2.0 on Apr 9, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LSU v. Appy State
I've said countless times before that the trick to scheduling is getting games with teams that sound good but really aren't. By that litmus test, the Appy State game was a great decision by the LSU administration.

However, don't kid yourself, it's an absolute cupcake game. I know Appy State beat Michigan last year, but that was a mediocre-at-best team that came into that game wholly unprepared, and let us not forget that Appy State needed a ton of good luck in that game to win (the injury to Hart, the blocked field goals, etc.).

Everybody wants to talk about Appy State's huge win over Michigan last year, but they never talk about the downside to that. They never mention that they lost by double-digits to Wofford and also lost to Georgia Southern. Or that they had nailbiter wins over the likes of Furman, Eastern Washington, and James Madison.

Again, it's a cupcake game, and it will be a blowout as long as LSU shows up even semi-prepared. I'd be surprised if it were closer than three touchdowns.

by outsidethesidelines on Apr 9, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For what it's worth...
For what it's worth, LSU had scheduled Appalachian for 2009, but had an opening in their schedule this year and moved up the game.  

by rugman11 on Apr 10, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Division 1-AA Opponents and Bowl Eligibility
Kentucky: Norfolk State, Western Kentucky (I'd be interested to know if both count toward bowl eligibility

Nico,

Current NCAA rules state that Division 1-A teams may be able to count one victory over a Division 1-AA opponent towards becoming bowl eligible every four years.

If I am interpreting that rule correctly, considering UK has two Division 1-AA opponents on the schedule this year, they will have go to at least 7-5 in order to make a bowl game. They will be able to count one of those games towards bowl eligibility, but not two, and therefore they must win at least five games in addition to the two wins over Division 1-AA schools. Basically, they get two easy wins, and the must go 5-5 over the other ten games to make a bowl game. Moreover, they will need to win at least six Division 1-A games over the course of the next three years in order to become bowl eligible in those years.

With Louisville, Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi State, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, and South Carolina looming on the schedule, though, I don't think that is going to become an issue.

by outsidethesidelines on Apr 9, 2008 6:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I knew....
I knew what the rule was regarding only one 1-AA team counting (Hawaii faced that issue last year.) The reason I brought it up is because WKU is in a transitional status. They aren't eligible to play in the 1-AA championship because they aren't in a 1-AA conference and they aren't eligible for a D1 bowl game because they're aren't in a conference (yet), but are playing an essentially D1 schedule. They're in a very peculiar in-between status right now and I was wondering how WKU specifically would be ruled in that scenario since Kentucky is the only team in the country in such a position.

Roll Tide!

Roll Tide!

by Nico2.0 on Apr 9, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm afraid...
I'm afraid Western Kentucky will not count as a Division 1-A win. Though they are in transition and playing a Division 1-A schedule, they are not a 1-A team just yet, and I'm afraid the NCAA will interpret that rule very narrowly. I'm not sure a situation like that has come up in the past, though, so I think it might be unchartered waters.

That is very big for us because we had to use a win last year against a D1-AA school to become bowl eligible -- Western Carolina -- so we cannot do that again this year. In other words, to be safe, we may very well need to go 7-5 just to make sure we get a bowl invite.

Though we would certainly be invited at 6-6, we may not be bowl eligible with the Western Kentucky game still up in the air a bit.

by outsidethesidelines on Apr 9, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When...
...the NCAA went to a twelve game schedule, they started allowing teams to count two I-AA wins towards the 6 to be bowl eligible.  

by BigCountry85 on Apr 9, 2008 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

According...
According to the NCAA Postseason Football Handbook (PDF) it only allows for one victory over an FCS (1-AA) team to count toward eligibility. You can find it on Page 9, Paragraph 1 under the heading of "Deserving Winning Team".
Roll Tide!

by Nico2.0 on Apr 9, 2008 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bylaws...
According to NCAA Bylaw 30.9, Nico is right.  Teams are allowed to contribute 1 win each year against an FCS opponent, so long as that opponent has at least 90 percent of the maximum scholarships allowed by the NCAA.  I believe this would preclude IVY league teams, since they don't offer scholarships, but I'm not sure of the NCAA's rules on that.  I also couldn't find the specifics on Western Kentucky, but I imagine that they are considered an FBS team, though ineligible for postseason participation.  

These are the teams that are going to have to come up with an extra win this year:

Clemson - The Citadel, South Carolina State
Florida State - Western Carolina, UT-Chattanooga
Georgia Tech - Jacksonville State, Gardner-Webb
Texas Tech - Eastern Washington, UMASS

by rugman11 on Apr 10, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Western Kentucky
Okay, I found it.  According to NCAA rule 20.9.7.2.2.1, a reclassifying team will be considered an FBS school in the second year of its reclassification (that is, the year it must abide by the FBS scheduling requirements).  So last year, Western Kentucky was considered an FCS opponent, but this year, they will be considered an FBS opponent.

by rugman11 on Apr 10, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good work!
Thanks for all of the digging around Rugman!
Roll Tide!

by Nico2.0 on Apr 10, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we're going to
play a game against a smaller division school, why don't we set up a game against the Harvard Crimson?  I scheduled them between Southern Cal and Texas in NCAA football for PS2 a few years back and the fans at Bryant-Denny really seemed to enjoy watching some Ivy Leaguers get slaughtered.

Just a suggestion

by Bamagrad on Apr 9, 2008 6:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hahaha...
plus, the whole Crimson vs. Crimson thing would make for some great t-shirts...
RBR's KING of HIP-HOP...

by SpockJenkins on Apr 10, 2008 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hell yeah
It would count just as much  as a game against Western Carolina, plus it has a strange novelty to it.  

Mal Moore, make it happen!

by Bamagrad on Apr 10, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to give UT some credit
They have a stance thay UT will never play at DII team.  Sure they play some weak DI teams, but never have and never will play at DII is my understading, but I haven't done the research on this.  The Harvard game would be great.  We did steal our colors (and indirectly name) from them.
I wouldn't piss off the boys from Alabama . . .

by I hate UT on Apr 10, 2008 11:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

TN's....
Tennessee's non-conference opponents this year are UCLA, NIU, Wyoming and UAB. I'd take any of those over a 1-AA any day of the week.
Roll Tide!

by Nico2.0 on Apr 10, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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