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Last week I attempted to figure out which SEC School was the greatest in all the three major sports by looking at total national championships, SEC championships, winning percentage and total wins combined. Well, after some criticism (being called stupid a few times) I decided to expand the data to also include "post season success" and not just championships.
The thought is that if a school consistently made it deep into the NCAA playoffs that would show having more "success" than just winning a championship and then dropping off the face of the earth for 50 years. (see Ole Miss)
So how do you determine post season success and what point total is given to reflect that success?
NCAA Basketball Tournament Runner Up = 10 pts, Final Four Appearance = 5
No one would argue making, let alone winning, the NCAA tournament is extremely difficult. And I have actually spoken to certain 'Bama fans who have stated they would rather see us make the Final Four over winning another football championship. So it stands to reason you have to give credit to making the Final Four and also making the Final.
College World Series Appearance = 10 pts
Only eight teams go to Omaha and making the NCAA Baseball Regional's and Super Regional's is significantly easier than making the CWS, hence why they are not included.
Football: Bowl Win = 3 pts.
All Bowl games aren't created equal. BCS > Music City bowl. And without a tournament there is just no way to determine a cut off point like in Baseball or Basketball. I could have weighted 1 win = 1 point but again that doesn't take in to account the difficulty in making and winning a high level bowl. I also didn't want to give a bowl win 5 points as to over-inflate that accomplishment. I felt 3 was a happy medium.
Caveats
I did not credit a team for making the Final Four, the Final or CWS the year they also won the Tournament. This seemed fair.
I weighted the data based off difficulty: Winning a National Championship > Post season point total > SEC championships > Winning percentage > Total wins
For basketball- national championship > runner up total > final four total > SEC championships > winning percentage > total wins
Did not include A&M or Mizzou for their short time in the conference.
Did not include SEC wins due to Arkansas and USCe only being in the conference since the early 90's.
Football
Football | Wins | Losses | Ties | Win % | SEC Championships | Claimed National Championships | Bowl Wins X 3 |
Alabama | 827 | 321 | 43 | 71% | 23 | 15 | 102 |
Tennessee | 799 | 354 | 53 | 68% | 13 | 6 | 75 |
Georgia | 760 | 402 | 54 | 65% | 12 | 5 | 81 |
LSU | 744 | 393 | 47 | 65% | 11 | 3 | 66 |
Auburn | 721 | 414 | 47 | 63% | 7 | 3 | 66 |
Mississippi | 628 | 492 | 35 | 56% | 6 | 3 | 66 |
Florida | 680 | 387 | 40 | 63% | 8 | 3 | 60 |
Arkansas | 683 | 464 | 40 | 59% | 0 | 1 | 39 |
Kentucky | 580 | 582 | 44 | 50% | 2 | 1 | 24 |
Mississippi State | 515 | 549 | 39 | 49% | 1 | 0 | 30 |
South Carolina | 566 | 544 | 44 | 51% | 0 | 0 | 18 |
Vanderbilt | 573 | 578 | 50 | 50% | 0 | 0 | 9 |
Basketball
Basketball | Wins | Losses | Win % | SEC Championships | Claimed National Championships | Final Four Appreance X 5 | Runner Up X 10 |
Kentucky | 2084 | 649 | 76% | 27 | 8 | 35 | 30 |
Florida | 1258 | 1033 | 55% | 3 | 2 | 5 | 10 |
Arkansas | 1537 | 866 | 64% | 1 | 1 | 20 | 10 |
LSU | 1425 | 1090 | 57% | 1 | 1 | 20 | 0 |
Mississippi State | 1310 | 1080 | 55% | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 |
Vanderbilt | 1298 | 1204 | 52% | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Alabama | 1546 | 936 | 62% | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Tennessee | 1507 | 957 | 61% | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Georgia | 1491 | 1045 | 59% | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Mississippi | 1169 | 1218 | 49% | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Auburn | 1241 | 1091 | 53% | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
South Carolina | 1297 | 1148 | 53% | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Baseball
Baseball | Wins | Losses | Ties | Win % | SEC Championships | Claimed National Championships | CWS Appearances X 10 |
LSU | 2172 | 1428 | 5 | 60% | 10 | 6 | 100 |
South Carolina | 2211 | 1375 | 17 | 62% | 1 | 2 | 90 |
Georgia | 2019 | 1516 | 23 | 57% | 0 | 1 | 50 |
Mississippi State | 2308 | 1336 | 27 | 63% | 7 | 0 | 90 |
Florida | 2129 | 1394 | 24 | 60% | 6 | 0 | 80 |
Arkansas | 1829 | 1178 | 5 | 61% | 0 | 0 | 70 |
Alabama | 2356 | 1376 | 23 | 63% | 7 | 0 | 50 |
Auburn | 1879 | 1270 | 11 | 61% | 3 | 0 | 40 |
Tennessee | 1847 | 1444 | 14 | 56% | 3 | 0 | 40 |
Mississippi | 1907 | 1423 | 20 | 57% | 2 | 0 | 40 |
Vanderbilt | 1902 | 1577 | 35 | 55% | 2 | 0 | 10 |
Kentucky | 1468 | 1315 | 22 | 52% | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Over-all
Over-all | Wins | Losses | Total | Win % | SEC Championships | Claimed National Championships | Post Season Total |
Alabama | 4729 | 2701 | 7430 | 64% | 32 | 15 | 152 |
Kentucky | 4132 | 2546 | 6678 | 62% | 29 | 9 | 89 |
LSU | 4341 | 2911 | 7252 | 60% | 13 | 8 | 186 |
Tennessee | 4153 | 2755 | 6908 | 60% | 16 | 6 | 115 |
Florida | 4067 | 3175 | 7242 | 56% | 14 | 4 | 155 |
Georgia | 4077 | 3122 | 7199 | 57% | 17 | 3 | 131 |
Auburn | 3841 | 2775 | 6616 | 58% | 10 | 3 | 106 |
Mississippi | 3704 | 3133 | 6837 | 54% | 8 | 3 | 106 |
Arkansas | 4049 | 2508 | 6557 | 62% | 9 | 2 | 139 |
South Carolina | 4074 | 3067 | 7141 | 57% | 2 | 2 | 108 |
Mississippi State | 4133 | 2965 | 7098 | 58% | 7 | 0 | 125 |
Vanderbilt | 3908 | 3200 | 7108 | 55% | 3 | 0 | 19 |
Summary:
This will probably still piss people off but Alabama is (again) the clear winner here. Even making "Post Season Total" the second level Alabama still comes out #1. Our dominance in football and relative consistency in the other two sports is just too much for other schools to make up. Don't blame this Gump for your team's averageness (GUMP GUMP GUMP)
Same goes for Kentucky in the #2 spot. When you dominate a sport like UK and 'Bama has it's hard for others to make up the lost ground.
Just so LSU fans don't freak out, one more championship in any sport and they take the #2 spot. It'll take a lot more than that to budge Alabama's stranglehold as the top SEC school. I gave LSU 12 titles, and 300 post season points and 'Bama was still #1. FOOTBAW
One interesting point that should be made clear: Auburn isn't as good as they think they are. Overall middle of the pack and barely above Ole Miss? Hardly something to thump your chest over.
Oh and I'm sure Florida LSU fans will love this: If you just look at just Post Season point total, they claim the top spot. It is interesting that Arkansas comes in at #4 , Alabama drops to #3 and Auburn and Kentucky plummet to the bottom. UK fans should thank gawd every day they are at least good at basketball.
All Time | Wins | Losses | Total | Win % | SEC Championships | Claimed National Championships | Post Season Total | X2 |
LSU | 4341 | 2911 | 7252 | 60% | 13 | 8 | 186 | 162 |
Florida | 4067 | 3175 | 7242 | 56% | 14 | 4 | 155 | 135 |
Alabama | 4729 | 2701 | 7430 | 64% | 32 | 15 | 152 | 118 |
Arkansas | 4049 | 2508 | 6557 | 62% | 9 | 2 | 139 | 113 |
Georgia | 4077 | 3122 | 7199 | 57% | 17 | 3 | 131 | 104 |
Mississippi State | 4133 | 2965 | 7098 | 58% | 7 | 0 | 125 | 115 |
Tennessee | 4153 | 2755 | 6908 | 60% | 16 | 6 | 115 | 90 |
South Carolina | 4074 | 3067 | 7141 | 57% | 2 | 2 | 108 | 99 |
Mississippi | 3704 | 3133 | 6837 | 54% | 8 | 3 | 106 | 84 |
Auburn | 3841 | 2775 | 6616 | 58% | 10 | 3 | 106 | 81 |
Kentucky | 4132 | 2546 | 6678 | 62% | 29 | 9 | 89 | 81 |
Vanderbilt | 3908 | 3200 | 7108 | 55% | 3 | 0 | 19 | 13 |
If one Bowl win = two points
All Time | Wins | Losses | Total | Win % | SEC Championships | Claimed National Championships | Post Season Total | X2 |
LSU | 4341 | 2911 | 7252 | 60% | 13 | 8 | 186 | 162 |
Florida | 4067 | 3175 | 7242 | 56% | 14 | 4 | 155 | 135 |
Alabama | 4729 | 2701 | 7430 | 64% | 32 | 15 | 152 | 118 |
Mississippi State | 4133 | 2965 | 7098 | 58% | 7 | 0 | 125 | 115 |
Arkansas | 4049 | 2508 | 6557 | 62% | 9 | 2 | 139 | 113 |
Georgia | 4077 | 3122 | 7199 | 57% | 17 | 3 | 131 | 104 |
South Carolina | 4074 | 3067 | 7141 | 57% | 2 | 2 | 108 | 99 |
Tennessee | 4153 | 2755 | 6908 | 60% | 16 | 6 | 115 | 90 |
Mississippi | 3704 | 3133 | 6837 | 54% | 8 | 3 | 106 | 84 |
Auburn | 3841 | 2775 | 6616 | 58% | 10 | 3 | 106 | 81 |
Kentucky | 4132 | 2546 | 6678 | 62% | 29 | 9 | 89 | 81 |
Vanderbilt | 3908 | 3200 | 7108 | 55% | 3 | 0 | 19 | 13 |
I'm not just trying to pick on Auburn but their fans seem to have this impression that they should be considered in the SEC "elite" category. Well, sorry (not sorry), Auburn..
Thoughts?
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